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and what do a pilot, a realtor and a youth pather have in common? they were concerned citizens who ran for congress and won. minnesota's chip caddic, michigan's bill heinzga and james lang ford join us to tell us how they plan to make a difference. stars of tlc's d.c. cupcakes, sophie and katherine with mouth watering treats. here's something cool, phil collin, lead guitarist of def leppard will rock the house with me on the stage. [ applause ] my book is causing the stir this week. and some of it is frankly from my own verbal gaffe. in a radio interview on monday, i said president obama spent part of his early life in kenya. i meant to say indonesia. his father and grandfather were
from kenya. my slip did not go unnoticed. >> if you watch the news, another day of ranting and nonsensical comments but enough about mike huckabee, he caused a huge national controversy after he said president obama grew up in kenya though he didn't visit there until he was 20. remember when people accused him of being a secret muslim? huckabee could be a secret moron. >> there are days he might be right. it's nice to be noticed. cnn host e.d. hill and governor spitzer had almost sympathetic words. >> why can't mike huckabee county out with ideas. >> you say dumb things, i say dumb things a lot. we all make mistakes.
mike huckabee is a good guy. he made a mistake and i hope he's not doing it intentionally. >> this is a intentional game plan. >> i hope no the. >> thank you e.d. edie hill. >> in another radio interview was asked byb whyny first chapter dealt with family and what did i think about the way modern culture makes it appear having children out of wedlock is no big deal. it talked about natalie portman's oscar acceptance speech. i had not attack her or slam her as some news reports gushed. i think she's a great actor and deserved hers car but my message is the stable family is the most basic form of government. the first government we experience is not the city council, not the state legislature or congress, it's mother and father. setting the rules, creating the
boundaries and borders for what is right and wrong. where we can go and cannot go, what we can do and not do. if we don't get it there, we have to wait for some other government, the schools, the city, the state or even the federal government. but there is a cost, a big one. did you know the dad deficit in america cost taxpayers $300 billion a year? that's right. that's how much we pay when a father leaves his children and sticks up with the responsibility of paying for the kids he fathered but refused to parent. and two-thirds of children in poverty in america wouldn't northbound poverty if the mothers of the children were married to the fathers. my point is not about an actress who can afford a caretaker for the chide. my concern is for the millions of children whose mothers have inadequate education, live
in poverty and struggle to provide the basic necessities for the children. i spent quite a few early adult years helping unwed mothers get an education and work toward a job. as governor i sought ways to help them get out of welfare and get to work. a broken family is not just a social issue, it is an economic one. and you, you are the ones who pay. that's deny view and if you want to share yours, you can contact me at mikehuckabee.com. click on the fox news feedback section. i'm on the road this week signing copies of a simple government and probably stirring up trouble. also, you'll find links to get a copy of simple government as am son and on my website. >> the suspect in the murders of two american servicemen in germany confessed to investigators he went to the airport with the intent to kill
americans wanting to exact revenge for the war in afghanistan. was it an act of terror? here's state department spokesman pj crowley. >> it's not a terrorist attack? i'm trying to understand why you can't make that clear. >> well, i mean, you know, for example, was the shooting of congresswoman gabby giffords a terrorist attack? i mean you have to -- >> the secretary herself. >> you have to look at the evidence and look at the motivation and make a judgment. that's a process as far as i know that's ongoing. >> joining me, secretary of homeland security janet napolitano. it's great to have you here. thank you very much for coming. >> thank you. >> in the interest of disclosure you and i have been friends from going governors during the same time and sharing the podium but i want to get to the point. is there a reluctance on the part of this administration to use the term terrorism or
jihadism. >> no. i use it all the time. and in fact, in testifying before congress a few weeks ago i reminded the congress and the american buck that the threats to the united states, they've evolved. we're not seeing the same plots pre-911. infiltrations of the united states to weaponnize airplanes but other things, smaller things. individual things. one or two people perhaps acting together. it makes it more difficult for law enforcement to detect and prevent. that's why we're asking people, when they see something, say something. we're working with our governors, our mayors, to really share information about what the terrorist threat is to our country. >> when pj crowley mentioned we weren't sure what it was. at that time we know this guy screamed out god is great in arabic. there was clear indications from his facebook page and
communications he had been consulting with jihadist. is it fair to say the biggest threat we have in terms of national security in the specific sense is that threat from jihadists? >> i will say certainly what we have seen in the last several years is a growth of al qaeda and al qaeda related groups, al qaeda and arabian peninsula. and we've seen that the internet is an accelerant, the connection between groups abroad and individuals in the united states. so it's fair to say that a small, small percentage or small number of individuals who are muslim and acting in a misguided name of muslim, we call them islamists have plotted or planned and they've been
intercepted. faisal shahzad to give you an example. there are others, we don't want to make the aperture too marrow. it's not just islamist terrorism. >> i respect the fact -- i want to be clear i don't think it's fair to disparage all muslims all over the world, they're not all jihadists. there's a distinct difference between a jihadist, something with believing we should establish a cal if a and we're all inif a fidels. i understand the distinction but fort hood, for example, 13 people plus a unborn al child killed by someone that was doing it as part of a jihadist mindset. the underwear bomber, the times square bomber. what the best way americans can identify where the threat is
coming from and shut it down? >> well, a couple of things. one is first of all that no one federal department can do it by itself. i'm the secretary of homeland security. we have 230,000 men and women who spend every day protecting the states in different ways. they can be doing it at the t.s.a., customs and border, at i.c.e. but they work hard every day think being how to protect the homeland and what do we need to do more. and we need to know and recognize as a country that we have a shared responsibility where terrorism is concerned. that shared responsibility emanates from our individual citizens, emanates from our cities, our states. and then multiple parts of the federal government share a responsibility for different parts. indeed in terms of homeland security we do international work. if we wait until something hits the homeland it's probably too late.
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[ applause ] >> mike: we're back with secretary of homeland security janet napolitano. i said we would talk about the criticisms i offered. there was a statement by the department that almost a thousand miles of our southern border is virtually out of federal control. i think something to that effect. why can't we seal that border and control the border? >> i have lived on that border almost my entire life. i grew up in new mexico and spent most of my live in as. i know that border, i have flown it and walked it and ridden it on horse back and worked it from san diego to brownsville.
here's what we're doing. first of all we have put more manpower on the border than ever before. more technology, built more infrastructure on the border. the end result is that the indianapolis numbers that need to go up, seizures, are up. the numbers that need to go down is going way down rapidly. that forced deployment will continue. >> let's talk, 2200-foot tunnel found near san diego. that's a huge breach of security. >> but it was found. that's the key. there have been tunnels under that border for decades. that's why the idea of building a fence is not practical. you tunnel under it or ladder over it. you need a layered system with some infrastructure and a lot of technology. we equip our manpower with a lot of the recent technology. they didn't have a few years ago and we keep adding border patrol
agents. we're doing more enforcement on the interior of the country. >> mike: one of the questions i raised was regarding the predators versus -- this is about a $200 million system and lots of reports are that it's not being effective. would you argue it is effective and more so than one of the proposal, the sentinel system for $10 million could control by gliders. is there a reason we're continuing the most expensive technology when maybe something would work more effectively? >> as a governor you recall there's always a vendor who has the best system if you just buy it from me. >> mike: that why we spent $200 million in. know how it works. vendors are very good. >> that's right. so here's the -- what we do is look at what we need at the border practically, operationally, sustained over
time. we talked about the unmanned vehicles. we have that coverage from california through texas. we didn't have it before. we now have it. we have that air coverage so important to our manpower. we took down future expenditures for f.b.i. net, which was an expensive technology that costs billion dollars of dollars and it didn't work. it didn't meet our needs. we're replacing it with technology like mobile radar systems and things of that sort that really will allow us to sustain our coverage at that border. now, one of the things we're worried about is if the house passed budget is passed into law, it is not a good budget for homeland security. indeed representative peter king, who is from here, republican, chair of the homeland security committee said it's not good to allow us to move forward and continue the pathway the president set to make sure that border is secure. >> mike: are we really getting
there? i guess part of the concern i have, i'm an in airports four and five days a week. there's controversy about t.s.a. and enpansed pat-downs. i feel it's an intrusion upon our basic sense of privacy. how can we justify that when there's a way to create some type of -- it would be called profiling, the israelis do it. isn't that a better system to exam people? >> at the check point there are layers of activities that have been undertaken in our effort to make sure we're focused on the right places. >> mike: we still got a box cutter through last week. >> that's right. and then we go through -- that's why we have multiple layers. you have to plan for human error. when you think about the united states aviation system we move
millions of passengers a day through hundreds of airports, israel has one major airport. the scale ability of what they do is not practical. they would tell you can't do what they do in the united states. >> mike: i think we could. i've talked to them. they believe we could. >> i don't even who you talked with but i can tell you. >> mike: head of security. >> i was there a few months ago. you can't do what they do. they do long interviews of every passenger in line. we can't do that at john f. kennedy and o'hare. we can do other things. what we do is a number of activities designed to make sure that someone who is trying to sneak an explosive powder or gel on an airplane, what is what the underwear bomber was trying to do, will not success. we have to move the next generation of aviation security equipment. that's why when there's an anomaly that can't be resolved, a passenger is invited to have
a -- what's called a resolution pat-down. few passenger have them and few passengers have filed or have complained. i understand this is related to the threat. now, we want to get to the place people don't have to take off air shoes. >> mike: i'm wearing my airport shoes today. >> i wish you would show those. >> these are my t.s.a. shoes. >> people would help if they would wear those shoes. i worked the line as a t.s.a. officer at a national airport and i've never seen so many different shoes. lots of different shoes. we want to be to the place we don't have to take off our shoes. you can take water. back to where we were pre-- >> mike: precriminals. >> pre-911. >> making sure we're not surrendering position and deemed guilty until proven innocent. it's a frustration. it's not -- this is not a
democratic administration, this is a whole thing we're going through. i hope you can get that resolved. we're out of time. one suggestion, for frequent flyers, iris scans and finger scans. >> wait until you see what's coming. >> mike: i'm be happy to see that and pay good money to be on the system. >> we'll make sure you're on the special list. >> mike: not the kind that gets the double pat-down and hands in my underwear. don't ask them to do that, please. >> all right. we'll see. >> mike: thank you. >> madam secretary, it's a pleasure. thanks to homeland security secretary janet napolitano. coming up, three americans who said they had enough with congress and they thought they could do better so they decided to change the way that business is done on capitol hill by joining
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>> mike: all right, a pilot, youth pastor and state representative walk into a room. this is the story of three concerned american citizens with very different backgrounds who didn't like the direction our leaders in washington were taking so they decided to try to make a change by running for congress in last year's midterm elections. before i speak to them. i want you to learn more about our guests today. >> james langford graduated the university of texas and received a master's degree in divinity. for 13 years he was the program director of false creek, the nation's largest youth camp. fed up with government growth and spending, he ran for congress and won oklahoma's fifth congressional district. bill heizinga with became a
michigan state representative but work worried about his kid's future. >> out of control spending is wrecking the economy and mortgaging our kids' future. >> bill represents michigan's second district in congress. a third generation of the military, chip cradic became a commercial pilot and said future generations should have a chance to pursue the american dream. he ran for public office for the first time. >> i live the life of a normal every day american. and that's what has lost touch in congress. >> chip won minnesota's eighth congressional district. >> and joining me from their home districts, minnesota's chip cradic, bill heinzga and james
long ford. james i i want to start with you and ask each of you this question. there must have been a moment in your life when you just said, okay, that's it. i'm going to run for congress. tell me that defining moment that over the edge moment that happened for you. >> well, i can tell you i've been passionate about the issues and ideas. that's part of my family my whole life. i was the son of a librarian and my mom was always engaged in issues. in came down to september of 2008. i've never been involved as a candidate but god was calling me to do this. it wasn't a mystical adventure but a sense of i have to do this. i'm going to be an old man telling me about the time i didn't do what i had to do. >> bill, what about you? >> actually maybe slightly different. i grew up with a family with dad involved in a local political scene. it was part of the fabric of our family.
the two things we talked about around the dinner table were business and politics. and so i sort of had a thought i would do it later in life. i found myself in a spot where my pretty sesser a great guy, decided to run for governor in michigan. that really opened up the spot for me. i knew i had to do this for my kids and grandkids. >> chip, you had been in the military so you had sort of a government career then a private sector career with northwest airlines. was there a defining moment when you said enough is enough, i'm running for congress? >> it was august 19th. exactly -- i was a retired navy pilot, never involved in politics before. august 19th. i went to congressional representative overstares office for a meeting. at the end of the meeting they said we're sorry but the congressman is too busy to meet
with you. this was not the representation i fought for in the military. this was not the type of representation i wanted my children to have so i got involved. >> mike: all of you decided i'm going to do this. i want to ask about the biggest surprise you have had getting to congress. bill, you had a little bit of background being in the office of the congressman so you might have the least surprise. let me start with you. was there a surprise being a congressman versus working for a congressman? >> the thing that struck me the most going to washington is the remnants of racial animosity that are under so many things. it's oftentimes we see the political and the philosophical. we don't always see the cultural side. i hope to change that as well. you would think after we elected the first african-american president in the united states that would change that culture. i don't even if that's -- well, it would be naive to say there
isn't that politics of race that gets injected into it on both sides. but that's something i -- that's sort of stuck in my mind as getting there in the last couple of weeks. >> mike: we're going to the those answers from chip and james when we come back. i'm going to ask these three new congressmen what they would like to see cut and h >> we've got a flood. hits the road, the nose the angels start second guessing where they tread. ♪ cl 1-800-steemer [ male announcer ] covergirl introduces the next generation of beautiful. what's next? a beauty movement to help all of us rock the covergirls we are. get involved at facebook.com. the next generation of easy breezy beautiful -- is you. covergirl. rockin it for 50 years. ♪ [ male announcer ] unrestrained.
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the u.s. price of a gallon is up $0.33 in two weeks. that's the seconds biggest increase on record. reporting remember layer is averaging 3.51 a gallon. that's the highest it has been in 2 and a half years. analysts are predicting more price increases at unrest in the middle ooe continues. same storm system. now back to huckabee. [ applause ] >> mike: we're back with chip and bill and james asking them about the big surprises. we talked to bill. two guys who haven't been involved in politics. james, surprise, disappointment, tell us the shocker for you getting to washington and being sworn in as a congressman. >> the two big surprises, one was how diverse the house of representatives is.
people would be proud to know we're as diverse as america. we're from like chip and i from no political back background. people are talking about the problems and not the solutions. you hear the problems and few conversations about how to solve it. that surprised me. that needs to be the place we solve problems, not just talk about them. >> chip, what due tell your wife and say, honey, you aren't going to believe this? >> what i didn't understand, governor, is why people didn't understand -- i'm a dad on a mission. that's how i qualify myself. the amount of spending the government is doing that we're basically broke, we are broke, and i don't even understand why people keep spending money. we have to curtail the amount of spending and i didn't understand why people didn't understand that fact.
>> mike: chip, that issue of spending. a lot of people got elected because they said congress was out of control, spending money we don't have. >> two targets. one is the department of energy. it was formed under the carter administration and it was supposed to wean us off foreign oil. we can morph the nuclear power into the navy. they can take on that mission. the other portion is department of education. we need to shrink the department of education. i was lucky. after i retired as an airline pilot and from the military, i was a parent teacher organization president. i got involved in the schools. one of the main things i see in talking to teachers and principals is the bureaucracies out of washington, d.c. we need to get money to the kid in the classroom. that's my second target. >> mike: that's a good target. bill, what would you take the knife to? >> yeah. much like chip was just
mentioning, i think the department of education has to be radically reformed. i don't believe having the federal government injected in it the way it is in local school systems is healthy. and mike, it's everything from the defunding planned parenthood which i missed where in the constitution we're supposed to fund them. to those larger things. to me, it's a short term, medium term and long term. small things now have to lead into the bigger issues of medicaid, medicare and social security as well as the interest on our debt. that's the real long term thing we have to tackle. >> mike: james, we're going to give you a chainsaw and turn you loose on the federal budget. what gets chopped? >> people need to understand how bad it is. as chip mentioned it's worse than people think. every agency in the federal government, all our military spending, every year it's borrowed money.
we've got to start dropping spending. if it's redundant, the different 100 plus job programs, we need to combine those and so we don't have the different costs. land, most of the western part of the united states is under the regiment of the federal government. we need that back to state and private control and not have the west owned by the government. we have millions of square feet of federal properties that are sitting unused. we need to sell those and not carry those assets all the time. >> mike: you might even believe that the tenth amendment meant what it said, what an interesting thought. >> i have three questions. is it constitutional, can we afford it and should it be done by the states, not us. >> mike: you could have been in the congress 200 some years ago and fit in. now i'm not sure. -off you have a different point
of view. what a delight to talk to you and i wish you the best. if you get that done i'll buy you the biggest stake in new york. you'll do all of us a great favor. james, chip, bill, thank you. it's a pleasure to have you and good luck in fighting the people's fight. they're in the city where there's much work to be done. >> they have loved baking goodies since they helped grandma in the kitchen when little girls but they turned that passion into a successful business as well as a hit show. katherine and sophie from tv's d.c. cupcakes coming up n [ female announcer ] think a thick cream is the only way to firm skin? challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. new regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lightweight. [ female announcer ] olay regenerist.
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[ applause ] >> mike: all right i'm back on the road continuing a 43 city tour to sign copies of a simple government. at every stop we have had hundreds of wonderful people. almost every one of them watch our show faithfully. you can get it at amazon.com or mike huckabee.com. it debuts on the "new york times" bestseller list. >> we've got sisters who have had successful and demanding careers but they quit their jobs and risked it all. they're doing what they want. that is baking cup basic. welcome sophie and katherine
from tlc d.c. cupcakes. do you know how popular you are to bring this table of cupcakes? >> bringing them in, everyone was saying, what's in the bag. >> mike: let's talk about this. your grandmother was an installation separation. >> we grew up with our grandmother. >> we spent a lot of time with our grandparents. >> she taught us to bake and we thought it would be nice to start a brake bakery with her recipes. we still had the dream and we thought if we don't, we never will. we opened it in d.c., just the two of us and we thought if we were able to bake the best cupcakes and it's just of two of us, that's good enough. >> mike: did your families think you are nuts, quitting good jobs. >> they sent us to college and couldn't wrap their heads around
quitting our jobs. >> it was a passion we had and we feel lucky because we did one thing and we did it well. we wanted people to really see that we bake these fresh every day, the best ingredients. when people came, they told other people to check it out. they're baking and covered in flour and sugar. >> mike: how did it become a television show? it's one thing to go to making cupcakes but now it's on television. >> we had one you have our customers come in and he was a executive producer. he's one of the executive producers of our show as a customer. he says you're crazy, your mother's yelling and sophie was covered in sugar and lugging 50 pounds of sugar down the stairs and he's like this is nuts. you worker here and own this place? >> we thought he said that to everyone. he said do you mind if we
videotape? >> mike: we've got nine different cupcake varieties. describe them. >> chocolate hazelnut. lemon blossom, salted caramel, red velvet, peanut butter fudge, coconut, milk chocolate and irish cream. >> all those look good. you have decided you sent a bunch of that's to soldiers overseas. >> we got a call from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and they wanted us to do baking lessons at the pentagon and we decided to send them to the troops. >> we always had a dream of doing something for the troops. >> mike: they hated it. >> we didn't know how it was possible. you can't call the pentagon and say hey, i would like to do something but they were able to if facilitate it. we baked in the pentagon with the chef and we went to andrews
air force base and loaded them and watched the plane take off. they delivered them to the troops in iraq and afghanistan. it was humbling and we were so honored. they do so much for us. >> very small for us to do and it meant so much to have a piece of home. >> we have friends who are serving overseas and they tell us how much it means to get a piece of home and how it brightens their day. >> mike: in case this doesn't work out. show me how to make a cupcake and frost one. >> definitely. we have something called a signature swirl. you grab this from the top and apply pressure to the middle. start in the center and squeeze and go in a circle and stop in the middle and push down. >> perfect. >> that's great! >> actually, that's really good. >> mike: do i get the job? hopefully i don't have to ask for it, if i do, i can't think of anything more fun. it's friday's at 10:00 p.m.
d.c. cupcakes. if you get to the georgetown area you'll want to go by and get in line because there's going to be a line of people getting these delicious cupcakes. katherine and sophie, thank you. terrific having you. >> from country to blues to classic rock, you've seen and you've heard me perform with a lot of popular music acts on the show. i bet you never thought you would see me play 80s metal. i'll join phil collins for one of the band's signature songs. of the band's signature songs. ain't going to miss
and pour some sugar on me help def leppard sell 56 million albums and the group is still rocking. they've announced a summer tour across america. joining us, def leppard guitarist phil collins. we had a chance to meet at the man show with the music people in january. one of the things we ended up, reporters poured out when they see mike huckabee and phil collin playing together and it's like this picture is really different. [ laughter ] but one of the things that is cool about you, phil, that i admired, you're into fitness and healthy and that's not the image people have of a rock star. >> right. i feel great. i stopped drinking 23 years ago and i exercise and eat right. i'm a vegetarian and feel like superman. >> mike: i work out every day? >> pretty much.
>> mike: notice i didn't aware a vest -- wear a vest like that. there's a reason for that. there's another love we have, putting musical instruments in kids' hands. why is it important? >> i think it's a release valve. especially when you're a triage. for me, it was a way of getting something i didn't understand. self he goes -- expression. it's so important. >> you brought kyle and steve with you. we're going to play a little fun song. one that everybody in america as heard. -off tour this summer. >> we start? june and we start in belfast, dublin and the first american date is 15th of june. then that's west palm beach. >> you can get ticket information at www.defleppard.com and phil collin.com. we'll keep those addresses on the screen.
you want to say def leppard in concert. i hope i can get to one of the shows. we're not going to let you leave without playing. maybe the signature song. >> we get this requested a lot. >> my job is to just sit back and enjoy it and not mess it up. >> we've played before together. >> that's right. >> this is old hat. >> mike: you're willing to do it again. let's hit it. >> cool. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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